Trump and Clinton
(Astrology Explored) Tonight, October 19, 2016 Hillary Rodham Clinton and Donald Trump go at it one more time on the debate floor making their case to the American public.
The announced topics are immigration, entitlements and debt, the Supreme Court, the economy, foreign policy and the candidates’ fitness to serve. The format is at once loose and rigid. Each candidate will stand at a podium, much like the first one, and each candidate will have two minutes to speak on each topic. Then the moderators will question them for an additional eleven minutes when they will go on to the next topic.
The venue is an interesting one, Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri, but besides residing in the “show me” state, you wonder why, “that place?” I have no information on the workings of the debate committee, but the astrology is fairly clear. Using chart of the debate itself, (announced 9:00 PM EDT and constructed for 8:00 PM CDT, St.Louis, Missouri) and the United States (Sibly), I created from that Davison relationship chart an astro*carto*graphy chart of the event.
3rd debate combined with US Sibly Chart
And here we see St. Louis on a sun line (where the light shines the brightest) straddled by Uranus in the West, and Mars in the East. Considering the candidates’ behavior I’m assigning Uranus to Mr. Trump and Mars to Mrs. Clinton. It seems like neutral ground but is it? The New York Times has the electoral votes for Missouri going to Mr. Trump. It is also interesting to note that in Mr. Trump’s astro*carto*graphy chart the position of his Pluto and Mars lines roughly correspond to the block of states he is most likely to garner in the election. (See New York Times Electoral Map)
Donald Trump’s Astro*Carto*graphy chart
Does this mean that Hillary is at the home court disadvantage? Not necessarily. In Hillary’s astro*carto*graphy chart, her Mercury, representing her thinking processes and communication skills, run, along with the North Node of the Moon (good fortune) very close to St. Louis. She will find it easy to communicate her ideas.
Hilary Clinton’s Astro*Carto*Graphy chart
An astrologer’s job is make judgements, and here I’m speculating that St. Louis, despite where it sits in the political land landscape is neutral ground to both parties as (probably) the debate committee intended it.
The Debate
Time constraints on my personal schedule necessitates that I keep this brief, though I’d love to give a commentary on each fifteen minute segment. Maybe I’ll tweet that tonight (@starrynightastr) if you are interested. But here is the starting chart of the debate:
9:00 PM EDT/8:00 PM CDT start of the 3rd presidential debate
This debate concentrates on three tops of ninth house matters, immigration, the Supreme Court, and foreign policy, one eighth house matter, entitlements and debts, one second house matter (opposing the eighth house) the economy, and one tenth house matter, the candidates’ fitness to serve.
To start off the debate chart moon is opposite Saturn. It’s easy to imagine Donald Trump, with his “unshackled” statements as the this Saturn in Sagittarius. Mrs. Clinton as the Gemini Moon is a little more difficult, but since her Astro*Carto*graphy Mercury, which rules Gemini, sits so close to St. Louis, it fits.
What challenges do Mrs. Clinton face? With the moon square to Chiron in Pisces, she is still dodged by the public perception that a.) she is too close to corporations, (Chiron in the eleventh) and she is deceptive (Chiron in Pisces). Notice the square (challenge aspect) from Saturn to Chiron. These are the themes that Mr. Trump may hope to hammer home. But with the sun, Mercury and Jupiter in the public oriented sign of Libra, trining that moon, a significant part of the public is not buying the argument.
The Saturn’s only trine is to Uranus, but I think doesn’t help Mr. Trump here. He is apt, as he’s shown in past debates, to go off script and into wild, unsupported claims, a strategy that may whip up his constituents, but not the public at large.
Ninth house matters are ruled by Saturn in this debate chart. Here Mr. Trump is not helped by a square to Neptune, (confusion and deception) where Mr. Trump may not speak clearly about immigration, social security, the Supreme Court, or foreign policy. Mere declarations about what he knows is not sufficient if they also do not reveal a deeper understanding about the complexities of these issues.
Eighth house matters, entitlements and debt, seem to present opportunities for contentious debate. Pluto and Mars sits there in the old guard sign of Capricorn. With the square of the Sun, Mercury and Jupiter in Libra, the public does not want massive changes in entitlements. But neither candidate, from this chart, seems to have an advantage, so that topic will appear a draw.
The economy in Rex E. Bill’s reference tome, The Rulership Book,is represented by Saturn and Capricorn. I’m assigning the economy to the second house, though there is an argument not to. Since Mars and Pluto are in Capricorn in the eighth and opposite the second, it looks like the economy arguments are going to get tied up with entitlements, with the lack of jobs being a central theme. As we all know, Mr. Trump wants to put America to work again, though, his ideas on how to do this are fuzzy. Be prepared for Mrs. Clinton to have a carefully prepared proposal for the same. My impression is that Mrs. Clinton will come out as the frontrunner in this argument.
As far as the topic of the candidate’s fitness to serve, there will be more claims by Mr. Trump as witnessed by Saturn’s square to the tenth house Neptune in Pisces. But it’s Pisces, and he simply does not have the hard evidence to back up his allegations. Neptune does like to confound and twist argument, so there’s that.
Mrs. Clinton will be forced to serve up explanations about the latest WikiLeaks revelations. With the trine to that Sun, Mercury and Jupiter, the public is more forgiving than Mr. Trump.
There are no surprises in this debate. The moon by the end of the evening comes to sit on the debate ascendant. Mrs. Clinton scores more points with this debate, and comes out the winner.
Debate chart at 9:15 PM
Image published under a Creative Commons License as granted by Flickr user Rich Girard. All charts are by Starry Night Astrology using the IO program by Times Cycle Research.